This Just In Again From Seattle Music History!!!
- Posted by Ryan Menges at 10:33 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
So a few key things left out from this pigs video scripted interview you will find below- but first just watch his body language and watch his eyes! Also let me add that what you are reading is my comment that I left after I READ WHATS BELOW AND WATCHED THE VIDEO! Now back to some real facts! The police report states that the shotgun was fired by kurts big toe, so some one please tell how someone with 10 times the lethal amount of heroin as you heard this fine SPD pig say over and over as well as say that they had never ever in Seattle City History saw someone with a heroin level in their bloodstream as kurt had this tragic day! how did kurt inject all this heroin then grab and load his shotgun as this pig states then turn the shotgun around to be able to insert his big toe in the trigger area and maintain a secure grip on the shotgun and manage to pull the trigger with his toe? If anyone can answer me that then maybe you'll be able to tell me thee answer to my next question then! lets say all this is an accurate report! the cop said thee amount of dope was so enormous that maybe he could of lived for a total of only two minutes- so riddle me this jokers! HOW DID KURT INJECT HIMSELF, LOAD HIS 20 GAUGE SHOTGUN, TURN IT AROUND, INSERT HIS BIG TOE SQUEEZE THE TRIGGER, SHOOT HIMSELF AT POINT BLANK RANGE IN TE F***ing FACE THEN PUT HIS SOX AND converse tennis SHOES BACK ON TIE THEM, THEN GRAB THE SHOTGUN AND HOLD ON TIGHT TO IT LEAVING IT REST OVER HIS OTHER ARM? let me add that and im no gun or forensic expert but usually with a shotgun there is a kick and with it turned around and fire with by a toe it doesn't make scientific sense that it would just be in his one hand (which he could have opted to pull the trigger with mind you) and resting over the top of his other arm! WAS IT A CUSTOM MADE BIG LEFT TOE'd TRIGGER FRIENDLY SHOTGUN MADE FOR PEOPLE WITH 10 TIMES THE LETHAL DOSE OF HEROIN IN THEIR SYSTEM with a Smith & Wesson attachment that was made to put your sox back on and ties you converse tennis shoes with? |
I added this picture not the evil media, wanted to back up what I said about the shoes and sox! Now when the quotation mark appears below, this is the Seattle Police Detective's Words! “I was requested to look at the case because I’m a cold case detective because it is 20 years later and it’s a high media case,” said Detective Mike Ciesynski, who had the four rolls of film developed and conducted interviews. “And there were always these conspiracy theorists out there, and so I was asked to look at the case and review it.” |
Police said in 1994 that the case was clearly a suicide. Ciesynski said that is still the case after reviewing evidence.
After KIRO 7 first reported the re-investigation Thursday morning, the Seattle police public affairs unit took issue with semantics, saying the case was not technically “reopened” -- despite the new interviews and processing of film that had not previously been developed.
The final investigation report has not yet been completed, Ciesynski said.
He also said images of Cobain dead at the scene will not be released.
“What are people going to gain from seeing pictures of Kurt Cobain laying on the ground with his hair blown back, with blood coming out of his nose and trauma to his eyes from a penetrating shotgun wound. How’s that going to benefit anybody?
“It wasn’t going to change my decision that this was a suicide, and actually I’m the one that makes the decision finally: do we go forward or not? Morally I would not be able to justify that. Legally I can’t justify doing that.”
The morning of April 8, 1994, Veca Electric employee Gary Smith went to Cobain’s home at 171 Lake Washington Blvd. East to do electrical work.
“I noticed something on the floor and I thought it was a mannequin,” Smith told KIRO 7 at the time. “So I looked a little closer and geez, that’s a person. I looked a little closer and I could see blood, and an ear and a weapon laying on his chest.”
The medical examiner determined Cobain had killed himself three days earlier – only days after he had left a rehab facility.
Police said before he shot himself, Cobain had a lethal dose of heroin. The syringes and the heroin kit Cobain used were kept in the Seattle police evidence unit and were part of the re-investigation, along with the previously undeveloped film.
Smith, the electrician, found a suspected suicide note on some planting soil in the greenhouse.
“I only read the bottom lines,” Smith told KIRO 7 in 1994. "(The) bottom two lines said, ‘I love you, I love you’ to someone.”
On March 18, 1994 – less than a month before Cobain was found dead – Seattle police were called to the Lake Washington home after Kurt “locked himself in a room,” and said he was going to kill himself, according to a police report. Police were also told he “had a gun in the room.”
But Cobain told police he was not suicidal and didn’t want to kill himself. However, police said after the 1994 investigation that his death was clearly a suicide.
Someone at Smith’s electrician company tipped then-KXRX radio deejay Marty Riemer, who was the first to announce the musician's death, which the medical examiner determined was a suicide.
More than 7,000 mourners packed Seattle Center two days later for a public memorial, where a recording was played of Courtney Love reading Cobain's suicide note. She also attended the memorial and gave some of his clothes to fans.
Last year, a Seattle Police Department spokeswoman said the department gets at least one request per week, mostly through Twitter, to reopen the investigation.
The public affairs unit keeps the basic incident report on file because of the number of requests, and police have said no other Seattle police case has received similar attention in two decades.
Ciesynski said having the film developed last month will hopefully benefit everyone. KIRO 7 asked if the case was closed.
“Hopefully,” Ciesynski said. “I’m sure until the 25th anniversary comes up.”
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- Posted by AndreasGaramonde at 4:57 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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Asinine. No other word to describe this. The thought that Mike Ciesynski is paid to investigate a loser's suicide twenty years after the fact using taxpayer money is an unconscionable insult. Does the Seattle Police Department have nothing else to do with time and money? The rationalization that this is a "high media case" has about much relevance as my favorite color. I am sickened by this.
- Posted by Wenatchee at 5:50 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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I was expecting other comments to be a boo-hoo fest commiserating the loss of Kurt Cobain. I totally agree with first comment by Andreas Garamonde. Kurt Cobain's music was horrid, his lifestyle glorified everything that we don't want our society to be involved in. The only way for him to achieve any lasting immortality is to have his death reexamined every 20 years. What is the purpose? And really...who cares if it was not a suicide?
- Posted by pankinbayday at 5:55 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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I have lost respect for both of you. You've now got people all over the world believing the case has been "re-opened" when you know perfectly well that's not true.
The case was reviewed in preparation for the anniversary. There is no new news!
So you got the hits, but now we all know that you will play fast and loose with the truth. Guess which station I'm not going to go to when I want to know whether there is actual real news or how big of a deal something really is?
Not you.
Totes UNreliable -- Casey and Clancy.
The case was reviewed in preparation for the anniversary. There is no new news!
So you got the hits, but now we all know that you will play fast and loose with the truth. Guess which station I'm not going to go to when I want to know whether there is actual real news or how big of a deal something really is?
Not you.
Totes UNreliable -- Casey and Clancy.
- Posted by GoddessFourWinds at 6:04 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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@AndreasGaramonde The city of Seattle has made, does and will always make money off the name Kurt Cobain. It can always afford to have one man investigate his death.
- Posted by ShaneSiegfried at 6:06 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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Both of you are amazing. Clearly, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But clearly you are missing the point here.
There were many issues with the way the investigation and crime scene was handled, not to mention the weird facts about the case:
1.) the "suicide note" wasn't in his handwriting.
2.) there were no fingerprints on the shotgun that killed him.
I, for one, want to see the people responsible for this MURDER given their justice.
What if this were your child and someone killed them, but made it look like a suicide? Wouldnt you want to dig deeper into this and get some answers? Well that is what the public wants. Justice. Answers.
If both of you were more educated on the situation at hand, then the comments you posted would have never happened.
So, stop being idiots and making dumbass statements.
There were many issues with the way the investigation and crime scene was handled, not to mention the weird facts about the case:
1.) the "suicide note" wasn't in his handwriting.
2.) there were no fingerprints on the shotgun that killed him.
I, for one, want to see the people responsible for this MURDER given their justice.
What if this were your child and someone killed them, but made it look like a suicide? Wouldnt you want to dig deeper into this and get some answers? Well that is what the public wants. Justice. Answers.
If both of you were more educated on the situation at hand, then the comments you posted would have never happened.
So, stop being idiots and making dumbass statements.
- Posted by GoddessFourWinds at 6:19 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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@Wenatchee "...who cares if it was not a suicide?"
So it's perfectly okay with you that a murderer is walking around free in society?
And you criticize Kurt's lifestyle?
I'd rather live among heroin addicts than people who think it's okay for murderers to roam free.
So it's perfectly okay with you that a murderer is walking around free in society?
And you criticize Kurt's lifestyle?
I'd rather live among heroin addicts than people who think it's okay for murderers to roam free.
- Posted by WoofaGooba at 6:35 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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Oh look, it's the usual parade of idiotic comments.
- Posted by WoofaGooba at 6:37 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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BTW ShaneSiegfried, prove what you say. And I don't mean the usual nonsense of conspiracy theorists. I mean PROVE WHAT YOU CLAIM.
- Posted by ShaneSiegfried at 6:48 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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Use your "Google-fu" and youll find all the things ive posted.
I've been following this since the late 90's and have done a lot of research and still continue to do so. It's very intriguing to me.
There are many other unanswered questions as well, but i want people to do the research on their own. That way they can understand what I already know.
I've been following this since the late 90's and have done a lot of research and still continue to do so. It's very intriguing to me.
There are many other unanswered questions as well, but i want people to do the research on their own. That way they can understand what I already know.
- Posted by WoofaGooba at 6:53 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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I said not the usual conspiracy theorists crap. Apparently you don't get it.
- Posted by ShaneSiegfried at 7:04 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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what are you looking for? For me to write an unabridged dictionary on this? that is something i am not going to do.
there are the facts, then there are the conspiracies. the facts are things i actually point out. the conspiracies are the things i research further.
its very similar to cryptozoology. lots of conspiracy theories on them, but a lot are facts.
if you want to ask me questions and approach this in a more appropriate manner, then i would be happy to oblige. but if you want to go about this like a stupid middle school kid, then go somewhere else.
there are the facts, then there are the conspiracies. the facts are things i actually point out. the conspiracies are the things i research further.
its very similar to cryptozoology. lots of conspiracy theories on them, but a lot are facts.
if you want to ask me questions and approach this in a more appropriate manner, then i would be happy to oblige. but if you want to go about this like a stupid middle school kid, then go somewhere else.
- Posted by DRQAngel5 at 7:13 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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For those who are asking who cares. You do otherwise you wouldn't have clicked on this story and then taken the time to post a comment for those of us who do care a lot if this was a murder or suicide.
- Posted by ghostfire32 at 8:59 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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Smells Like Teen Spirit
- Posted by SeattleAmyJ at 9:35 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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The City of Seattle owns a great deal of problems; dispelling conspiracy theories from a 20 year old death is not one of them. I'd like the SPD to solve the murder of Greggette Guy or explain why there's a lack of arrests in the Danny Vega murder. Everybody knows who killed Kurt.
- Posted by RyanMenges at 10:33 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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so a few key things left out from this pigs scripted interview! but first just watch his body language and watch his eyes! now back to some real facts! the police report states that the shotgun was fired by kurts big toe, so some one please tell how someone with 10 times the lethal amount of heroin as you heard this fine SPD pig say over and over as well as say that they had never ever in Seattle City History saw someone with a heroin level in their bloodstream as kurt had this tragic day! how did kurt inject all this heroin then grab and load his shotgun as this pig states then turn the shotgun around to be able to insert his big toe in the trigger area and maintain a secure grip on the shotgun and manage to pull the trigger with his toe? If anyone can answer me that then maybe you'll be able to tell me thee answer to my next question then! lets say all this is an accurate report! the cop said thee amount of dope was so enormous that maybe he could of lived for a total of only two minutes- so riddle me this jokers! HOW DID KURT INJECT HIMSELF, LOAD HIS 20 GAUGE SHOTGUN, TURN IT AROUND, INSERT HIS BIG TOE SQUEEZE THE TRIGGER, SHOOT HIMSELF AT POINT BLANK RANGE IN TE F***ing FACE THEN PUT HIS SOX AND converse tennis SHOES BACK ON TIE THEM, THEN GRAB THE SHOTGUN AND HOLD ON TIGHT TO IT LEAVING IT REST OVER HIS OTHER ARM? let me add that and im no gun or forensic expert but usually with a shotgun there is a kick and with it turned around and fire with by a toe it doesnt make scientific sense that it would just be in his one hand (which he could have opted to pull the trigger with mind you) and resting over the top of his other arm! WAS IT A CUSTOM MADE BIG LEFT TOE'd TRIGGER FRIENDLYT SHOTGUN MADE FOR PEOPLE WITH 10 TIMES THE LETHAL DOSE OF HEROIN IN THEIR SYSTEM with a smith & wessin attachment that was made to put your sox back on and ties you converse tennis shoes with?
- Posted by RyanMenges at 10:51 p.m. Mar. 20, 2014
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and all you blind faces posting these comments why dont you come out of witness protection and quit hiding behind your mouse you rats and be who you are and what you believe and let it be known how you feel? Instead you'd rather believe these damn cops and damn media and then hate on and chastise the people that truly do give a SH*T and cares about what happened to Kurt! thee only people that could have produced all of this to happen to kurt is THE BIG 6 MEDIA CONGLOMERATE and if you do not know who or what they are google it u F***ING SORRY SACK OF SH*TS! HERES A CLUE THE BIG 6 MEDIA CONGLOMERATE OWNS THE MEDIA, THE PIGS, YOU & YOUR THOUGHTS, YOUR DISEASES, YOUR SINS, AND YOUR SOUL AND GOOGLE!
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